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It's partly an effort to regain a sense of control that if I think that I could have done it differently,
這么做的部分目的是重新獲得某種掌控感如果我可以用不同的方式
then maybe there's a way to prevent this from happening
也許這件事就不會發(fā)生了
I can regain a sense that I'm in charge of my life
我能夠重新得到某種感覺，我在掌控自己的人生
but it doesn't make room for anger on it.
根本沒有憤怒的空間
I think our anger is much greater and we want to have the person angry and
我認為我們的憤怒感更強我想讓他們感到憤怒
sometimes we will gently try to express that there's room for outrage here,
有時候我們會委婉地表達他們可以是暴躁憤怒的
er but we have to go with where they are at and many of them find a certain, um fatalism,
但是我們不得不考慮他們所處的階段他們很多會相信宿命論
er or a religious kind of er coming to terms with it
或者某種宗教觀點來應(yīng)對痛苦
that moves them in another direction than anger
這會讓把他們推上另一個道路，而不是憤怒
but there's others that anger has to be worked through
還有對于一部分人，在憤怒之后
Forgiveness can be a huge issue too that follows from the anger,
接下來，如何原諒別人也是個重大問題
but certainly the anger has to be dealt with.
當然，憤怒也必須得到應(yīng)對
Um this gentleman in the Um, yeah, the er, well you talked about one kind of torture victim,
這位男士，好的。你談到了一種折磨的受害者
but you know if you look at the um statement that was issued about 3 weeks ago
但是看一下3個星期以前國家天主教主教委員會發(fā)的聲明
by the national council of Catholic Bishops, they were very clear in saying that
你就會發(fā)現(xiàn)他們非常清晰地表明了
these torture incidents always produce2 kinds of victims,
這些折磨和酷刑常常會產(chǎn)生兩種受害者
the one who's subjected to the torture and the torturer as well.
一種是受到迫害的人一種虐待者本人
Er and it strikes me that that's an aspect of this problem
讓我不解的是，這個問題的這一方面
that doesn't seem to get discussed as much I mean we have the case of Eric Fair
似乎沒有得到充分的討論我們有艾瑞克?菲爾的案例
who wrote that column in the Washington Post
他為華盛頓郵報寫專欄
in which he talked about withdrawal destruction of family.
在其中，他談到了對家庭的破壞力
He says as he sleeps at night the victim is always with him,
他說，他晚上睡覺時受害者總是和他一起
and we have the events of him committing suicide.
最后他選擇自殺了
Um, you want so say a little but about that?
您能具體說明一下嗎?
Yeah, I had that in my notes.
好的，我的注釋提到了這個問題
Um, some of what's coming out of the studies now um in Iraq of veterans er
現(xiàn)在有些研究，研究去過伊拉克的老兵它們得出的一些結(jié)論
which I think has some bearing on this, is finding that there is greater PTSD
我覺得對這個問題也是有意義的研究發(fā)現(xiàn)，在某些情況下，創(chuàng)傷后應(yīng)激障礙
in some instances in the perpetrators of trauma than in the victims of trauma.
在實施創(chuàng)傷的人那里更嚴重而不是創(chuàng)傷的受害者
