because I'd gone to the wedding.
就是因為我去了他的婚禮
You know I wish I could tell you that was my intention, it wasn't, it was pure luck but what came out of it
我希望我能告訴大家這正是我的目的但是真的不是,這個結果,真的是純運氣
was after 5 years working with this man, somehow conditions of safety were moved up a little bit with that being in place,
和這個人合作5年后他的安全感增加了一些有了安全感
he was able to access some of his experience.
他才能夠回顧之前的部分經歷
He was able to articulate, he was able to deal with it.
他才能夠講述能夠應對
Over the next 8 months or so, things change a lot, he was able to sleep a lot better,
接下來的8個月,事情改變了很多他的睡眠好多了
he said his depression lifted, he felt more freed up from some of the memories than he had been before.
他說他的抑郁癥減輕了和以前相比,他從一些記憶里解脫了
Treatment doesn't always work that well, um and this was kind of an exceptional one and a very powerful one in my experience.
治療過程并不總是這么有效這算是獨一無二的案例是我經歷過非常有力的案例
My point in telling it here though is it shows how invisible the effects are of torture.
我在這里講述這個故事的用意是這個故事表明了折磨的后果是深藏不露的
This guy had everything going for him in terms of living in this country, conditions of safety, really nice children
這位男士在這個國家已經可以說一切都基本不錯了有安全感,孩子真的很不錯
he was earning a living, he had a good wife, he couldn't at all talk about what he had gone through
他可以賺錢謀生,有個很好的妻子但是5年了,他還是無法講述自己經歷的一切
for 5 years only because circumstances almost by happenstance allowed this to happen was he able to er, to bring this forward.
只是因為情況偶爾出現意外的變化他才可以講述他才能夠主動提起這件事
So that I hope puts more of a human face on some of these, these themes.
我希望可以讓這些話題更具體更人性
The last thing real quickly that I would just er say and I um, I look at um, the topic,
我最后要快速補充一句當我看今天的話題時
I would be remised if I didn't say that psychology in the last 2 years has been a great turmoil
我有些話想說,在過去的2年心理學經歷了巨大的震蕩
as a profession er that I'm ashamed to say frankly er that psychology as a profession,
作為專業人員,我很羞愧,說實話作為心理學家這一職業
The American Psychological Association has been used to come out against psychologists participating in illegal detentions the way psychiatry has,
美國心理學協會被用來反對心理學家參加非法拘留,和精神病學協會
the way that nursing has, the way the American Medical Association,
護理協會美國醫學協會
the BAR association they've all taken stands saying that participation in interrogations is wrong.
律師協會一樣,但是后者都已經表明了立場認為參加審訊是錯誤的
Er, and their members shouldn't do it.
他們的會員不應該這么做