M: Now both the government and the opposition party agreed that state schools are not good enough.
男:現在,政府和反對黨都認為公立學校不夠好。
M: And the Opposition is coming up with some new proposals of their own to improve them.
男:反對派也提出了一些新的建議來改善公立學校的情況。
M: But is their approach really all that different from the government's?
男:但他們的方法真的與政府不同嗎?
M: Today we have Theresa May, the shadow education secretary from the Opposition with us on the radio show.
男:今天,反對黨的影子內閣教育大臣,特蕾莎·梅來到了我們節目中。
M: Good afternoon, Theresa.
男:下午好,特蕾莎。
W: Good afternoon.
女:下午好。
M: Can I remind you of what John Major said only a few years ago when he was Prime Minister?
男:還記得約翰·梅杰幾年前擔任總理時所說的話嗎?
M: He said we should give people opportunity and choice.
男:他說我們應該給人們機會和選擇。
M: We don't mean some people. I mean everyone, opportunity for all. Well, that is precisely what the present government is saying, opportunity for all.
男:我們不是指某些人。我是說每個人都有機會。這正是當前政府所說的,為所有人提供機會。
W: The hallmark of this government is that what they say and what they actually do is always different. And that's no different in education.
女:當今政府的一大特點就是說一套做一套,在教育方面也是這樣。
W: What we see from the present government is that they may talk about opportunity for all,
女:我們經??吹浆F在的政府談到為所有人提供機會。
W: they may talk about choice, but actually they are cutting opportunity and reducing choice.
女:談到讓人們有更多選擇,但是其實他們正在減少機會和選擇。
W: And what I think is most damaging is that actually they are giving a message
女:我認為最具破壞性的是實際上他們在傳遞這樣的信息:
W: Don't bother. If you are from a state school, there are barriers to be put in your place. But this is far from the truth.
女:不用掙扎了。如果你上了一所公立學校,那么你一定會遇到障礙。但這遠非事實。
W: Universities have been doing a very great deal to encourage state school pupils to apply.
女:許多大學一直在做大量工作來鼓勵公立學校的學生申請。
W: The point is that we still haven't got enough state school pupils applying to our leading universities.
女:問題是,申請一流大學的公立學校學生還不是很多。
M: But your government had 18 years to get more of them into Oxbridge.
男:可是反對黨政府18年中都未能有效增加牛津劍橋里公立學校學生的比例。
W: And indeed we increased the number of young people in this country going to university, from one in eight to one in three.
女:事實上,我們提高了年輕人是大學入學比例,從八分之一提高到三分之一。
W: The number of state pupils being accepted by Oxford and Cambridge and other leading universities, the proportion of state pupils has actually increased.
女:被牛津、劍橋等一流大學錄取的公立學校學生數量實際上增加了,比例也在提高。
W: But there is a problem in many of our secondary schools - of expectations.
女:但我們的許多中學都有一個問題——期望。
W: And it is the present government that has been leveling down expectations rather than raising them.
女:現在的政府是在降低人們的期望,而不是提高期望。