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We work a lot with lawyers which perhaps is relevant here, um and often lawyers don't understand some of the,
我們和律師經常合作這可能和大會的主題相關律師經常理解不了
er ways that victims of torture show the consequences, that is they show no feeling.
受害者表現出酷刑后果的方式那就是他們不表達感情
They can be detached from it and that can suggest that maybe the victim isn'ttelling the truth
他們徹底抽離情感因此可以說明，
from a psychological point of view when we work with the lawyers
從心理學角度來說受害者并沒有說真話當我們和律師一起工作
or when we go to the er, the immigration court and er, argue for asylum we try to say that
到移民法庭上為受害者尋求庇護時我們會盡力說
the very lack of emotion the lack of affect in telling their story is one of the signs of how they are trying to cope with it.
他們在講述經歷時，缺少情感，缺少關愛是他們努力克服折磨的一種標志
It's, it's hallmark of um PTSD.
這是創傷后精神緊張性精神障礙的標志
There was one guy that I worked with for 5 years,
有一個人，我和他共同工作了5年
er and er during these 5 years we went through a lot of changes er together, er, in the beginning
在5年里，我們都經歷了很多變化例如他剛剛來到這個國家時
he was here by himself from the country where he had escaped.
是孤身一人從祖國逃出來的
He had been a labour organiser there and er, several in his family had been killed.
他在本國是勞工組織者他家里有幾個人都被殺害了
He was imprisoned, he was tortured for about 2 months.
他被關進監獄，受了2個月的折磨
Often the telling of the torture is so idiosyncratic
他講述自己的受折磨的經歷很奇特
and one of the things that was outstanding for him was to hear a staccato thudding sound over and over again at night.
最特別一個地方就是他在晚上會聽到斷斷續續的重擊聲一遍又一遍
He didn't know if it was a basketball being bounced or if it was guns being fired but he said thatit was terrifying to him and it continued to haunt him.
他分不清，是籃球彈地的聲音還是槍聲，但是他說這讓他很害怕這個聲音困擾著他
These were the kind of things.
他的癥狀是
He had insomnia, he had nightmares, he couldn't relate to other people,
他失眠，做惡夢無法對其他人講述這些事
um he was doing really menial work um, he left his wife and 2 very, very young children back in his home country.
他做的是體力活他離開祖國時，他的妻子和2個很年幼的孩子還在國內
For the first year, so he came every week, and I really wanted to work with him therapeutically
第一年，他每周來一次我真的想給他治療
and I found it very difficult to so because I could never get beyond the surface.
但是后來我發現很難因為我無法穿過表面，深入探究
