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Okay, can you just start by telling me a little bit about the dress? What does it look like?
好，你能不能先跟我說說你的裙子？它長什么樣？
I must confess that I am not very good at describing dresses.
我必須承認，我不太擅長描述衣服。
So you don't, you don't have a minor in fashion?
那你沒有，你沒有輔修過時尚？
No, no. If you had told me 10 years ago that one of your key research programs is going to be about the way people will perceive dresses, I would have said, "There's absolutely no way that--that will never happen."
沒有，沒有。如果10年前你跟我說，你的一個重要研究項目將是關(guān)于人們對裙子的看法，我會說，“那絕對不可能--永遠不可能的事。”
I don't care about dresses. I don't have a dress. I've never talked about dresses.
我不在乎裙子，我沒有裙子，我也從未談?wù)撨^裙子。
And now I talk about it a lot.
而現(xiàn)在我卻經(jīng)常談?wù)撍?/p>
Oh, uncertainty! It can be so cunning!
哦，不確定性啊！真狡猾！
You literally never know what's going to happen next...
你真的永遠不知道接下來會發(fā)生什么。
Or how some stranger's fashion conundrum could change the trajectory of your career.
也不會知道某個陌生人的時尚難題會如何改變你的職業(yè)軌跡。
And this dress--my first impression was that it's really ordinary.
而這條裙子--我的第一印象是它真的很普通。
It's a pretty standard dress, don't you think?
這是一件很標準的制品，你不覺得嗎？
Yeah, it seems like the kind of thing you wear to someone's wedding when you don't want to be the center of attention.
是的，它看起來就像你在別人的婚禮上，想保持低調(diào)時會穿的那種衣服。
And that is exactly what it was bought for. So I talked to the person who took the picture, Cecilia Bleasdale...
這也是它被買下的原因。我跟照片的拍攝者塞西莉亞·布利斯代爾聊了聊。
And she said that was the purpose.
她說她買這條裙子就是這個目的。
She was wanting to buy a dress for the occasion of the wedding of her daughter, I believe.
她應(yīng)該是想買一件禮服來慶祝她女兒的婚禮。
So they took pictures, and then they revisited the pictures to decide which dress to get, they realized they disagree about what the color of the dress was.
她們拍下了照片，然后重新查看照片，想定一下買哪條裙子，才發(fā)現(xiàn)她們對裙子的顏色存在分歧。
They were like, "What do you mean ‘it's white and gold?'" or "(What do you mean) ‘it's black and blue?'"
她們覺得，“你怎么說它是‘白金相間’的？”或“你怎么說它是‘黑色和藍色’的？”
And that's how this all got started.
這就是這整件事的開始。
So what color is it?
那它是什么顏色的？
Christie, you're in luck. Let me show you something.
克里斯蒂，你很幸運。我給你看個東西。
Oh, I have the dress right here.
哦，裙子就在這兒。
Oh, my God, whoa! That is--definitely not the color I saw in the photograph.
哦，天哪，哇！這絕對不是我在照片中看到的顏色。
Wow. I need a moment to absorb this. Oh wow.
哇。我需要點時間來消化這件事。哦哇哦。
Okay, but before we talk about the actual color, I want to hear about the first time you saw the image of the dress.
好，但在我們談?wù)撍念伾埃蚁肼犅犇愕谝淮慰吹竭@件裙子的照片的時候。
What colors did you see?
你看到了什么顏色？
I can tell you that like it was yesterday because it was such a big day in my life...
跟你說，那天就像昨天一樣，它是我生命中非常重要的一天。
It's a Thursday, and I was coming back from N.Y.U. on the train.
那是星期四，我從紐約大學(xué)坐火車回來。
I had finished teaching for the week.
我完成了那一周的教學(xué)任務(wù)。
And I was minding my own business, and (I) was at peace with the world.
我當時在想著自己的事，感覺內(nèi)心很平靜。
I was on the train, and I was checking Twitter. And a student had tagged me.
我坐在火車上，刷著推特，看到一個學(xué)生帶了我的標簽。
And they were like, "Professor, what do you see here?"
他們說：“教授，你看到的是什么？
And... I was like, "You know, this is obviously, obviously a white-and-gold dress... or, an image of a white and gold dress."
我說“這顯然是一條白金相間的裙子。或者，是一條白金相間的裙子的照片。”
And a student asked, "Does it appear at all ambiguous?"
一個學(xué)生問，“它有沒有任何模棱兩可的地方？”
I said, "No, why? Why do you ask?"
我說：“沒有，怎么了？你怎么會這么問？”
And that's how you learned that people were fighting over it.
那時你才知道人們在為它的顏色爭論。
I said, "Well, I guess I can see how somebody could see it slightly off-white, but it is clearly white and gold to me."
我說：“我能理解為什么有人會認為它是灰白色的，但在我看來，它顯然是白金相間的。”
So you think they're debating about white versus off-white.
你以為他們是在白色和灰白色之間爭論。
That's hilarious and also totally understandable because I also saw a white and gold dress in the photograph.
很搞笑，但也完全可以理解，因為我在照片里看到的也是白金相間的裙子。
Do you still, to this day, see it as white and gold?
直到現(xiàn)在，你仍然認為它是白金相間的嗎？
Absolutely! The very first time I ever perceived it as blue was when you showed it to me just now. It was shocking!
絕對的！就在你剛才給我看的時候，我第一次覺得它是藍色的。太震驚了！
What about you? What happened after that note from your student?
你呢？學(xué)生給你回消息之后發(fā)生了什么？
So I go home to my wife and tell her--I don't know yet that it's a thing yet, I did not know that-- "Oh, you know, people online are so silly.
我回到家對妻子說--當時我還不知道這是件大事，那會兒還不知道--“哦，跟你說，網(wǎng)上的人太傻了。
They're arguing about the color of this dress. And it's obviously white and gold. I don't know what they're talking about."
他們在爭論這件衣服的顏色。它顯然是白金相間的。真不知道他們在說什么。”
So my wife looks me straight in my face. Oh, no. She thinks... It's black and blue.
我妻子直直地盯著我的臉。哦不是吧，她覺得...裙子是黑色和藍色的。
What?
什么？
And at that moment is when I realized that we need a bigger boat, so to speak, because she's a very serious person.
就在那一刻，我意識到我們得好好研究一番，可以說，因為她是一個非常嚴肅的人。
She wouldn't, like, lie to me about this.
她不會在這件事上對我撒謊。
Now it's really got your attention.
它真的引起了你的注意。
So some people early on said, "Oh, this just reflects different screen settings."
所以早些時候有些人說，“哦，這只是因為人們的屏幕設(shè)置不同。”
Yeah, but I knew, immediately, two things.
是的，但我很快就知道了兩件事。
Number one: she's not trolling me.
第一：她不是在騙我。
Number two: this has nothing to do with the screen because we are seeing it on the same screen.
第二：這與屏幕沒有任何關(guān)系，因為我們是在同一個屏幕上看到的裙子。
I've done a Ph.D. in visual perception.
我修到了視覺感知博士學(xué)位。
I knew that we don't already know this. This is new. This is completely new.
我意識到這是我們未知的東西。它是新的，全新的東西。
You feel yourself on the cusp of scientific discovery. Wow!
你覺得自己位于科學(xué)發(fā)現(xiàn)的前沿。哇!
I did not sleep at night. No, it's true.
我晚上都睡不著覺。真的。
That night, I wrote a screed as to why we don't know what this is.
那天晚上，我寫了一篇文章，解釋為什么我們不知道這是什么。
What made it so new?
是什么讓它這么新鮮？
What I found remarkable from the beginning was you basically locked in to your perception.
我從一開始就發(fā)現(xiàn)，不同尋常的是，你被困在了你的感知中。
You can't…you can't switch it. Now…you can't undo it, you can't unsee it.
你不能…你沒法關(guān)掉它。你無法撤銷它，你無法忽視它。
So it's not like those old-fashioned optical illusions.
所以它并不是老掉牙的那種光學(xué)錯覺。
You know, the ones where the drawing can either be an old woman or a young woman. Or the duck or rabbit?
就是那種畫的人既可以是老婦人，也可以是年輕女子。或者是鴨子還是兔子那種？
And if you know about both, you can pretty easily go back and forth between seeing the two versions--it's a duck's bill or it's a rabbit's ears; it's a duck, a rabbit, a duck.
如果你認識這兩種動物，很容易就會在兩者之間來回糾結(jié)--是鴨嘴或兔耳；是鴨子，兔子，鴨子。
But you're saying that with the dress, a single person can't see both versions?
但是，關(guān)于這條裙子，一個人不可能同時看到兩種版本嗎？
Most people cannot.
大多數(shù)人都不能。
And so that must reflect something about how they reduce ambiguity.
因此，這對減少歧義一定有啟示。
Wait--what do you mean by "ambiguity"? What exactly is uncertain here?
等等，你說的“歧義”是什么意思？在這里面，到底有什么是不確定的？
So I want to be very clear and I make that point to everyone who is willing to listen-this is not about the dress.
我想向每個愿意聽的人都清楚地說明白這一點--它與裙子無關(guān)。
