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but jobs with his eye ever on the bottom line, Had a different view.
但是從喬布斯看來，這還沒有觸及他的底線
There were too many people at apple
有太多人站在蘋果這一邊了
And in the apple ecosystem playing the game of
而且在蘋果公司系統里，常常玩著的游戲便是
"for apple to win, microsoft has to lose,"
"蘋果會勝利，微軟會失敗"
And it was clear that you didn't have to play that game
然后你很清楚你沒必要再玩這個游戲了
Because apple wasn't going to beat microsoft.
因為蘋果公司不會想去打敗微軟
Apple didn't have to beat microsoft.
蘋果公司沒必要擊敗微軟
Apple had to remember who apple was.
蘋果需要牢記自己為什么是蘋果
It was just crazy what was happening at that time,
那段時間真的很瘋狂,
And apple as very weak, and so I called bill up
蘋果很虛弱，所以我打給比爾
And we tried to patch things up.
然后我們嘗試修補關系
I think he learned to be a better businessman.
我認為他學習到了如何成為一個更好的商人
I think he learned a little more humility.
我認為他學會了如何變得更加謙遜
Steve really changed in a number of ways,
史蒂夫真的在很多方面改變了自己
And he changed primarily because of failure.
最重要的因素便是失敗
Failure affected him, and he learned from it.
失敗影響著他，他從中學習教訓
jobs created a brand-new product at apple, the imac.
喬布斯創造了一個全新的產品線，iMac
I think there was a decision to look different.
我認為那是一種從不同角度思考的決心
Remember,
記得嗎，
their motto immediately after his return was "think different,"
他們在他剛剛回到蘋果時候的廣告就是"Think Different"
And he didn't say that because he didn't believe it.
他從來不那樣說因為他堅信這點.
He really did want to think different,
他確確實實做到了不同凡想
And they would have to appear different To show that they were thinking different.
并且他們樂于用各種不同的方式展現他們不同的想法.
the pair joked about the relationship Between "mac man" jobs and "pc man" bill gates.
有一惡搞"Mac Man"喬布斯和"PC man"蓋茨之間的搞笑組合
Pc guy is great but not a big heart.
用PC的家伙很偉大，但是沒有雄心
His mother loves him.
他的媽媽愛他
His mother loves him.
他的媽媽愛他
Pc guy is what makes it all work actually.
PC guy是那種讓任何事情循規蹈矩發展的家伙
Mossberg: all right.
沒錯.
It's worth thinking about.
這樣想是很有價值的
The truth about bill gates is a brilliant man
事實上比爾蓋茨是一個很有才華的人
Who you could and I did talk to for long periods about the future.
是那種可以和你與我談論起未來滔滔不絕的人
He could think quite intelligently About the future,
他對于未來的想法很明智，
but the way microsoft worked As a business was far more incremental than apple.
但是微軟比起蘋果 有著過于商業化的運作
All the while, they were working on some big leap,
在那時，他們都是在巨大的變革之中
And microsoft tended to do the incremental stuff Almost all the time.
而微軟趨向于任何時刻都在提升自己的附加值
